I have a document from the State of New York 1849. On this document it says that my Great-great grandfather is a affiliate citizen of the United States. What does it mean to have a affiliated citizenship?Is it the same as a "normal" citizenship? ps. I have posted a link to the picture of the document furter down in this thread.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2006 03:23PM by Carina Larsen.

Carina,

i have never heard that term. Is it a handwritten document? Could the word be naturalized? Or alien?

Karen

Hi Karen,

It is a very pretty document , blue paper with watermarks and seal.This is the beginning of the text:

By this public instrument be it known to all whom the same doth or may in any wise concern, thai I Joseph B. Nones a Public Notary in and for the State of New York, by letters patent under the great seal of the state, duly commissioned and sworn, dwellingin the City of New York, That Lars Larsen and William Brown the persons named in the annexed paper, appeared before me,and being duly sworn acording to Law, each subscribed the declaration made by him respectively, which I deem sufficient proof of theaffiliated citizenship of said Lars Larsen.

Almost all of the text is printed( with spaces for names and dates), the names and dates AND the word affiliated is written by hand.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2006 10:11AM by Carina Larsen.

Beats me. My guess would be it was a term for a naturalized citizen,.

Or, it used to be that people gained U.S. citizenship sometimes because of relationships. I believe wives became citizens when their husbands did for awhile there Maybe minor children did also, that's just a guess. It might mean something like that.

(Things worked in reverse too - a native-born US woman could lose citizenship by marrying a foreigner.)

Karen



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/12/2006 08:46PM by Karen Anne Kolling.

On the annexed document it says: I am a affiliated citizen and I am about to travel abroad......and then he swears allegiance to the US of America.
He was a sailor and perhaps he was bording a ship or he travelled back home. He married in Denmark 1852 and stayed there.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

Hej Carina.

Thank you for asking a very interesting question. Here is one possibility. After the American Revolution, the British Navy used to capture sailors from America, believing that everyone in America was born a British citizen and that wasn't changed when America became a country. To help prevent American sailors from being kidnapped, the U.S. gave sailors a Seamen's Protection Certificate (SPC) to prove they were not British citizens. The sailor had to fill out an application, and if he was foreign-born, he could declare allegiance to the U.S. So, what you have may be related to your Lars Larsen applying for a SPC. You can read a little more about impressed seamen and Seamen's Protection Certificates at [www.archives.gov]. Search for the term "affiliated citizen" on that page.

Do the documents give the full date in 1849 or the name of the ship? I would like to look for more information about your Lars Larsen in the SPC records when I go to the National Archives in September.

Mange hilsener.

Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.

Hi Lisa,

Thank You very much for Your reply.Your theory looks very accurate.I never got the impression that he lived in the US for a long time and I know that he worked on ships sailing North- and South America.In 1850 1st of October to 1851 17th of July he sails on the Mexican Brigg Montezuma. I am very grateful that You want to look him up in the archives
The documents are dated the 30th of october 1849.
I can't find the function of adding files to this reply(it used to be here), I wanted to add pictures of the documents.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

From this site,[www.arkivalieronline.dk]

I have copied a mailaddress so you can write AOL - and maybe you will get an answer.

'If you encounter difficulties when using the parish registers, or if you wish to propose amendments or to comment, you are welcome to send an e-mail to: Arkivalieronline@saf.sa.dk'


kirsten

SORRY - this ended the wrong place.



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Sorry, I tried to post a picture-file of the document in "Hjælp til tydning" and create a link to that page but the file was to big even packed as zip-file or rar-file.Many thanks for the tip to add files in that way.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

Hi,

I had some help to create a file of the document, if You are interested I posted it on "hjælp til tydning" or follow this link
dis-danmark

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

Hi again Carina,

I think it is amazing that your family saved this document for more than 150 years and that you still have it!

I tried to find more information about seamen's protection certificates on the National Archives web site, without much luck. I am not sure if the National Archives records on your Lars Larsen (if they have any) are located in the NA branch in New York, or if they are in the Washington, D.C. area, so I have sent an email to the NA in New York to ask there first. I will let you know what I find out.

I saw Bent Fleron's idea about affiliated citizen being a person who filed his first papers. For a case like that, and there are many, I have heard the words "declarant citizen," "declared his intentions," or "has his first papers," but never "affiliated citizen."

Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.

Here's some information on the British impressing seamen at wikipedia
[en.wikipedia.org]

A dim chime went off in my head when Lisa mentioned this stuff, about having learned in school that it had contributed to the War of 1812 between the U.S. and Britain. The wiki article seems to imply that the practice more or less was ended by the war, but I guess they could have kept issuing certificates.

I don't see Bent's posting. Perhaps it mentioned that people in the process of becoming naturalized citizens have some restrictions on how much travel they can do out of the country during that process. Still, what Carina described doesn't sound like that to me...

Karen

Hi everybody,

To Lisa,
Tank You for doing so much work for meI am very exited to see what You will find out from the NA.It would ne great to be sure of the purpose of the document.

To Karen Anne,

Thank You for the link to Wikipedia. Did You see the scanned document in
the other forum?There is a link to it on this thread and it's there Bent posted his message(in Danish). He thought it might be papers that one gets before becoming a citizen.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

Hi, Carina,

I was not able to see the document, when I clicked on your link here, it took me to the Danish thread, but when I clicked on that link in the message there, it brought me back here. Maybe this is something to do with my browser, Firefox.

mvh,

Karen

Hi Karen,
It is true that there is a link back to this page, but further down on the first message(in forum "hjælp til tydning" )there is another file attatched it says :"vedhæftet"affiliated.jpg, if You click on that You will be able to see the document with firefox or Explorer

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

I see it now. I am still clueless :-)

Karen

Hi Carina,

I tried to find some information about your Lars Larsen at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., last week, but I am disappointed. Here is what I did:

1) I sent email to the National Archives branch in New York City to ask if they have seamen's protection certificates (SPCs) for the port of New York for 1849. They said those records have been moved to Washington, D.C. They do have naturalization records from New York City and an index for those records, and they will do a search and send photocopies, but I think there is a charge of either $10 or $17.50.

2) I went to the National Archives in Washington and asked an archivist about the seamen's protection certificates. I took a copy of the image you posted on Hjælp til tydning so he could see the original certificate. He showed me a new microfilm number M2003 of "Quarterly Abstracts of Seamen's Protection Certificates for the Port of New York, 1814-1869." These are lists of SPCs issued for New York, showing the date issued, a file number, name of sailor, age, height, complexion, and birth place. For each 3-month period of every year, names are written with all the surnames starting with A first, then B-surnames, etc. If you find someone in the list, you can then request his file number to get more information. However, I looked at all of 1849 and 1850 for your Lars Larsen/Larson and did not find him, and I did not see any foreigners listed. I still think the original document you have shows that Lars Larsen was getting a SPC, and I am disappointed that I couldn't find proof of that in the abstracts on microfilm.

3) I posted a message on a mailing list for professional genealogists, asking if anyone knew what else could be done, and only received 2 replies: check Mystic Seaport web site [library.mysticseaport.org] and look for New York crew lists.

4) At the Mystic Seaport web site, I did find some examples of SPCs [library.mysticseaport.org] and a database of SPCs issued in Massachusetts [library.mysticseaport.org]. You might want to send them an email, with a link to the image still on Hjælp til tydning, and ask if they have any information. They charge a fee to do research.

5) I will ask about New York crew lists on my next visit to the National Archives. I don't see any crew lists for New York from 1849 listed on the National Archives web site [www.nara.gov].

Do you have any more information about the Mexican brig Montezuma that your Lars Larsen sailed on? Was it a passenger ship, or a cargo ship? I found a ship called Montezuma in the database of ships bringing Irish immigrants to the U.S., 1846-1851, and wonder if that could be it? I tried searching the Internet for Mexican brig Montezuma, got a lot of hits, but don't know which, if any, are the correct ship.

Maybe I can learn more on my next visit to the National Archives.

Mange hilsner.

Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.

Hi:
It would seem that Lisa is correct about seaman protection. This link has another example.
www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1992/spring/ seamans-protection.html

From the article:
Naturalization information is equally interesting and more abundant in these records. The name of the court and the date of naturalization is often given. For example, on August 2, 1824, William Williams, a native of Wales, was naturalized "in the Court of Common Pleas of the city and county of Philadelphia." Even when the court is given without the date, researchers should check that court's records around the date the seaman applied for his certificate. Almost without fail the seaman seems to have gone straight from the naturalization court to a notary to make application for his protection. Bernard Tobin of St. Johns, Newfoundland, is described as an "affiliated citizen," having "declared my Intention of becoming a citizen of the United States in the Circuit Court of the United States holden in Philadelphia the 27th of December 1854, a Certificate whereof I herewith present." He applied for and got his protection certificate that same day.

I hope that this helps.

Royce

Hi Lisa,

Thank You very much for all Your work on this!!
I found the Mystic Seaport Website a two weeks ago, and I am now even more convinced that this document is a Seamen's protection Certificate.The document on this page looks very much like my document:

Mystic Seaport

I will send them an email.

About the Mexican brigg Montezuma, I now know that the home harbour was Bremen and inbetween Oct 1st 1850 and 17th of July 1851 LL sailed as a "Koch und Matrose" from Bremen to Cape Verde-Buenos Aires-Cuba-and then back to Bremen.
The name of the brigg was spelled Moctezuma.The Captain had the funny name of C.Pfannkuche.

Thank You again for Your help and for putting me on the right track.

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

Thank You Royce for Your link to the archives. Lisa posted the same link in the beginning of the thread but it is good to be reminded and thanks for Your interest

Med Venlig Hilsen,

Carina Larsen/Dis-medlem 7946/Sverige [www.linneballe.se]

Slægtsnavne:Lindballe/Linneballe,Wulff,Hersum,Thim/Them,Grabe,Satterup,Rødegaard i Fredericia, Vejle, Bogense og Odense/

Hi Carina Larsen! According to The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of The English Language, 1967, USA: "to adopt", "to receive into a family as a son", to receive into a society as a member". Venlig hilsen, Bent

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